can't get ahead to a year from now is that there are countries that say will not give things right now, and they might over the course of many diplomatic conversations a month. two months, six months from now. a lot of them are doing more than they have ever historically done. and so f-16s, they're saying not now. they could decide soon, or in months that that is something they will do. the ukrainians expect that it will continue to press forward, because that's where the president of the united states would do if he were them. >> so privileged to have the two of you here tonight, thank you for joining us. jen psaki, i'm looking forward to seeing you every sunday morning. >> can't wait for the hand of. >> that's all in for this -- that we look forward to it as well. that's it for tonight, live from ukraine. alex wagner tonight begins right now. right now. >> america can't wait for that handoff. and thank you for everyone at home for joining us tonight, starting with -- ivanka trump and her husband, former senior adviser to the

president jared kushner. reporting tonight that kushner and trump have been subpoenaed by special counsel jack smith as part of his investigation into former president trump's role in the january 6th attack. if you watch the house january 6th committee hearings last mirror, you might remember that one of the sing -- a piece of video that the committee played featuring ivanka trump, with a big question trying to answer being how much people in the white house believed the lie that they were pushing, the election had been stolen. it mattered when the committee asked trump's opinion of attorney general bill barr's statement which was made on december 1st of 2020, where there was no widespread fraud in the election. it mattered that this was how the president responded. >> how did that affect your perspective about the election, when general barr made that same shipment? >> it affected my perspective.

i respect his opinion, and so i expected what he said. >> the former president's daughter said that more than a month before january 6th, she knew that the election had not been stolen. ivanka trump was also a key witness to the events on january 6th itself, with not only accompanying her father backstage where president trump encouraged his followers to march to the capitol and fight like hell, but ivanka trump was also with trump in the oval office, and with the white house dining room during some of the key 187 minutes that day. minutes between the attack starting and when trump finally urged supporters to go home. as the january 6th committee worked in its final report, ivanka trump repeatedly returned to the dining room to council for other throughout the day. each time ivanka trump that she made headway through her father, the chief of staff mark meadows would call to say that the

president still needs more persuading. it was a cycle that repeated itself over several hours that afternoon. then at one point, it led to ivanka trump leaving to kushner's office next to her, because she needed to regroup and collect yourself. there is a lot to ask ivanka trump about. it appears also from the january 6th committee's final report that trump has thus far not been as transparent as you might have been. late in the morning of january 6th, president trump made a call to vice president pence. he tried to pressure pence to walk or delay the certification of the electoral college results. ivanka trump's chief of staff testified to the committee that ivanka told the staffer that president trump was so upset on that phone call that president trump called pence the p-word. that's something you think you would remember but, when they asked ivanka trump if there are any particular words this remember from that call, she responded, no.

as for jared kushner's utility as a witness, he was not personally at the white house for most of the day on january 6th. he was there as a top trump advisor throughout the attempts to steal the election. kushner has thus far been decidedly dismissive about those efforts, and their effects. here he is describing how trump's white house lawyers reacted to trump's efforts to stay in power. >> jarred, are you aware of instances where pat cipollone threaten to resign? >> like i said, i was trying to get as many pardon as possible and i know that he was always -- him in the team are always saying we are going to resign, we're not going to be here if this happens, that happens, and so i kind of took that to be winning to be honest with you. >> you know those white house lawyers, always whining about threatening to resign. it is news tonight the special counsel jack smith has

subpoenaed both jared kushner and ivanka trump for testimony before a federal grand jury. while special counsel smith plaza head on january 6th, republicans in congress are already hard at work on the counter offensive. both of the clips that i just showed you tonight ivanka trump and jared kushner's depositions, both of the clips came from the house january 6th investigation primetime hearing which aired on june 9th. but both of them were played during the 8 pm hour of those hearings. if you watched fox news at 8 pm that night, you wouldn't have heard those depositions. instead, you would've heard this. >> good evening and welcome to tucker carlson. it tells you a lot about the priorities of a ruling class if the rest of us are getting yet another a lecture about january 6th tonight. but an outbreak of mob violence, a forgettable minor outbreak by recent standards that took place more than a year and a half ago the. never stop talking about it. the whole thing is insulting.

in fact, is deranged. we are not playing along. this is the only hour on an america news channel that will not be carrying that propaganda lies. >> fox news host tucker carlson has been literally leading the pack in trying to whitewash the events of january 6th. he produced a three-point documentary series called patriot purge to try to suggest that it was all a false flag operation. that's why it's such a big deal the house speaker kevin mccarthy has now decided to give tucker carlson exclusive access to 44,000 hours of january 6th security camera footage. it's not just incredible that speaker mccarthy gave this footage to this specific fox news host, but then he gave it to any journalist at all. politico reporting that the chief of the capitol police and house sergeant in arms, both of them did not know that this footage was going to be given to fox news until it was reported this week in the press. every piece of footage from the

january 6th committee was cleared with the capitol police in advance to make sure that they were not compromising the security of the building by either showing where security cameras are, or how security responded on that day. now speaker mccarthy is just handing all of the security footage is over to a fox primetime host. or whatever exactly happens over there. mccarthy certainly seems a lot less concerned about the safety and security of the capital these days, which is a very far cry from the way that he felt on january 6th. at least according to jared kushner. >> i heard my phone ringing, i turn the shower off, i saw leader mccarthy who i had a good relationship with. he told me it was getting really ugly over the capital. he said, anything you could do to help, i would appreciate it. i don't recall specific asks, just anything that you can do. again, i got the sense that they were scared.

>> they meaning leader mccarthy and people in the hill because of the violence? >> he was scared, yes. >> in addition to releasing these 44,000 hours of security footage to a right-wing proxy uganda machine, speaker mccarthy is now fundraising off of this decision. he is soliciting money by declaring that america requires truth and transparency over partisan games. senate leader chuck schumer today, blasting speaker mccarthy for the move, saying that it posted play -- security risks for anyone in the capital, and this afternoon, congressman benny thompson, the former chair of the house january 6th committee, gave a private position to the house democrats about what this means but. joining us now is the democratic congressman from mississippi, and former chairman of the january 6th committee. thank you for making time to be here, we really appreciate it. i would just love to get your first thoughts and reactions from inside of the democratic

caucus about the decision in part of the speaker of the house. >> thank you very much for having me, and let me just say that the democratic caucus in its entirety was absolutely flabbergasted that the speaker would make 44,000 hours of video available to any news media without any standards, any protocols, or any notifications of leader jeffries, or house administration, or anybody. democrats, and just like others worried about it in the press. that's not how you doing, we put ourselves at risk as a country, as congress persons, in the capital, they were a number of items that our committee put together as we viewed all of this material.

we set up a separate section to be viewed by individuals that have been cleared. each one of them heads passwords to look. we worked out with capitol police to make sure that we did not compromise purity at any point. it is clear now, as far as we know, there is a possibility of security risk because cameras are located in a lot of areas, as you know, a lot of us had to be marshaled out of the capitol during the insurrection. all of this is on footage. this compromises the integrity and security of the capital. i think that speaker mccarthy has some explaining to do quite honestly. >> it is awfully strange behavior from a party that proportions to be the party of

law and order to directly compromised the safety of those that are charged with keeping everybody safe. i wonder if you think that this is part of the bargain that speaker mccarthy made for the right wing members of his caucus who were publicly asking for this footage should be released in advance of the speaker's election. do you think this is part of the devils bargain that he made in early january? >> no question about it. i think we'll see some other things overtime as well that say it's an order for him to get the speakership. he had to give up everything. as you know, fox news was one of the major networks promoting the big lie. it's coming out in the dominion voting case that they knew specifically that the election had not been stolen, they kept repeating the big lie. and so now you get the footage for the big lie station.

they can do the damage that they've been talking about the us and hire time. the men and women that protected us, they've done a tremendous job, over 150 -- still off work. some of them lost their lives, and the men and women who worked in the capitol every day deserved the best security possible. given this video, to fox, the network of tucker carlson, it's clearly a dereliction of duty of the speaker. at some point, i hope that nothing happens, but he needs to be made accountable for what is clearly something that puts the security of the united states capital at risk. >> and beyond the security concerns, which are grave, there's also the idea that the speaker of the house is

willingly handing over government footage -- i don't even want to use the word news to describe what fox is, but it's a propaganda machine effectively. and what precedent that sets. should other people be using this footage as well? is that the way to combat this? what's your suggestion to people in the media here? >> first of all, we set protocols in place to look at the footage. we work today with the capitol police, and we did it in a manner that would not compromise security at all. my understanding is that the capitol police did not know that the footage had been released, or made available to fox until they read about it in the press. that's not how you do a security related issue. the chief of the capitol police is a qualified individual.

we worked with him, it was a good relationship between our committee and the capitol police. to my knowledge, we never had a single breach of that protocol while we had it in our custody. >> i have to ask, you've because we also had the breaking news tonight the special counsel jack smith's subpoenaing donald trump and jared kushner, their testimony for the investigation. what's your reaction to that? >> i think that the special counsel is moving in the right direction. we made it available to them all of the depositions, and all of the other information to glean over the 18 months in the investigation. we wanted to get it earlier, but we felt that we had to complete our work. a network is significant information. you understand the difference between our committee and a prosecutor.

it's the potential for criminal activity. that's just what they do. we were just a legislative body trying to get to the answers of what actually occurred here. now you have criminal activity, and so i think that the special counsel will get to the bottom of it. we gave them the information, and we talked to vice president pence, and he refused to come to us. the speaker, who is the leader, other members of congress and likewise, i would like to see what happens when people get subpoenas. >> i think we all would. congressman bennie thomas, thank you as always for your time tonight. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> let's turn to democratic congressman dan goldman of new york. he's the former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and also served as lead counsel for the

first improvement inquiry into donald trump. the fact we have to step be late this, the first impeachment inquiry, but i digress. congressman, let's start with where we left off at congressman thompson, which is the subpoenas that are coming from the special counsel's office. are you optimistic the directly going to have to testify, or do you think we're going to get into protracted executive privilege battle? >> i think they've waived executive privilege if they testify in the january 6th committee. i would expect them to at least show up. are there going to be things that they claim are covered by executive privilege? it's possible. certainly nothing that they have already spoken about, and they can now claim executive privilege. i would expect if they will show up, i don't think they're going to litigate this, and given their history with the january 6th committee. i do think that one of the benefits for ivanka trump

showing up is that if mike pence is going to litigate his subpoena, and it's going to drag on and on, even if it is a losing cause, it would delay significantly. ivanka trump was there for and listening into donald trump's conversations with mike pence. the special counsel can get some of that information from other witnesses including ivanka trump. >> she was in the room. a confidant of the president in a way that few others are, if no one else is, but i have to ask is somebody who is lead counsel for the trump's first impeachment. what kind of protocols are traditionally in place for the kind of material that we are talking about, vis-à-vis the security footage on january 6th. as we focus on this more broadly. the idea that the speaker of the house has handed over all of this footage to a fox news host seems unprecedented in american history, but i also think that the terms of access,

the breach of access that has now happened. how unusual is this, and what is the new normal at this point in terms of security footage and compromising security inside the capitol building? >> given the security breach on january 6th, it's even more shocking that the speaker would hold over tens of thousands of hours of surveillance tapes, think about what that means. it's not just simply that there is the actual footage. you would be able to figure out exactly who where all of those surveillance cameras are throughout the capital. if you were, let's say, going to promote the big lie or promote propaganda, say for example that what happened on january 6th was a minor incident. and you wanted to help facilitate future minor incidents then you have a

roadmap for how to avoid detection. this is a real security issue, separate from the pathetic pandering that the speaker is doing for the extreme right as payback for being elected speaker, and of trying to pander to tech carlson who controls the sort of extreme maga movement. >> it's the activist wing of the republican party. >> the extremist wing. activists is to reasonable. >> to be active in the gop at this stage seems to be extreme, but setting that aside for the moment, i think that there are two parts of this that are deeply concerning. one is the security part, but the other is what can they practically do with this? it is 44,000 hours of footage. there's a lot in there. can the actively establish a counter narrative, a visual counter narrative that will go

against how the january 6th committee has presented to the american public? do you think that's possible? >> not in any complete way but remember that what we see from these republicans in the current investigations on the oversight committee -- >> you're on the committee of weaponization of the federal government. >> what they're trying to accomplish, and they did this a little bit with the impeachment investigation, it's the 32nd sound bite. it can then be used and spun a web to create an alternate universe. is it possible that they could cherry-pick 30 seconds of video and use that -- of course they can do that. that's what they do every day. the possibilities for somebody like tucker carlsen, who has no relationship with the truth, is to cherry-pick various portions

and tried to weave it together and wanted to create a false narrative that can then be gone through the right-wing ecosystem. >> i have to ask you because you're in congress, and of course there is a partisan divide here. the fact that he has not answered for any of this, the only communication we have from him on the topic is the fundraising emails that he sent out. what does this do inside congress? he's breached somebody that has never been -- here but all of their lives at risk. what are the repercussions inside of congress? >> there's not a lot of trust from the democratic caucus with the speaker. i don't think the anyone recognizes the democratic side, how he sold his soul in order to become the speaker of the house. what this demonstrates is not just a breach of protocol, not just a breach of security, but a breach of the rules, ethics,

and practices of the house. the fact that as chairman thompson said that he did not even consult with the capitol police before releasing the capitol police is surveillance videos -- you can make an argument, wrong as it might be, it's partisan. he did not consult with the security efforts with revealing security footage. as chairman thompson said, it's a dereliction of duty, not just to the democrats, to the police, to the people that work in the capital, in broad, late to the american people. what can we do about it? nothing in directly but he and the other republicans will have to answer for it at the ballot box. >> this is a party that says that they backed the blue. this is the behavior of a party that says it is the party of law and order. new york congressman dan goldman --

daniel goldman. >> either way. >> we'll do both. thank you for being here, thank you for your time. we have a lot to get to tonight, including one of the most shocking pieces of legislation that i have heard about in a long time in a season of shocking legislation. here's a hint, remember those gun pins that some members of congress were seen wearing earlier this month? plus, republican ron desantis has done a complete one 80 on russia. we'll dig into that, that's coming up next. coming up next do you own a lot of bras, but not a single one you really love? introducing wireless bras from knix. the ultimate in comfort and support, in sizes up to an h-cup. visit knix.com to find a wireless bra you'll love.

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gain an inch, he's going to take a mile. basically, if america will not give him any pushback, i think he's going to continue to expand russian influence. if we had a policy that was firmed that armed ukraine with offensive and defensive weapons so they can defend themselves, i think they would make different policies. i do think that you could see people like putin not wanting to mess with us. >> that was how rhonda sanchez used to talk about russia and ukraine. during russia's 2014 invasion of crimea, desantis was still a member of congress sitting on the house floor affairs committee. he used his position at the time to do it most republicans did last time, blamed the obama white house for not being strong enough, for being weak and not doing enough to our

ukrainians in that fight. but that was then, and now run desantis is a potential contender in the republican nomination for president, and he is running in a party whose base has all but embraced vladimir putin and company -- and now when ron desantis gets axed about russia's illegal invasion of ukraine, he says things like this. >> i don't think it's an art interest to be getting into proxy wars with china, getting involved over things like the borderlands, or over crimea. the fear of russia going into nato countries and all of that, steamrolling, that's not even coming close to happening. >> his evolution on the issue is part of a growing trend within the republican party. while some in the gop have maintained support for ukraine, there is growing momentum among conservatives who have begun to openly advocate abandoning ukraine in this fight. congressman matt gates has introduced a resolution that would end all military and

financial aid to ukraine, marjorie taylor greene, who has now been an ally of house republican leadership, calling for biden's impeachment over his visit to ukraine earlier this week, and yesterday donald trump released a video for his supporters, claiming that world war iii has never been closer than it is right now. he vows to clean house of all of the warmongers and america last globalists in the deep state, the pentagon, the state department, international security industrial complex. joining us now is washington correspondent and founding partner at -- julia, it's great to see you. >> good to see you, alex. >> my question is how the evolution of the gop in the fight in ukraine. there was a moment and it was a short-lived moment, where there is some version of bipartisan support of all of this. i do wonder what you think the catalyst for the chilled enthusiasm, just putting it mildly inside of the gop, what

the catalyst was of that. was it the length of the were? was it effected biden seems to be somewhat successful in his strategy? is it just the isolation? the inevitable and point of the modern-day gop? what do you attribute it to? >> i think it's important to point out that i think it is still in mainstream position that republican parties choose to support ukraine. i was just at the munich security conference, and there are a lot of republicans, both senators and house members from the republican side of the aisle who were there pledging their support. some of them are pretty high making members, trying to die on this hill because that reminded them of the struggle of world war ii. that it was such a clean cut battle, good versus evil. as for what is happening on the far-right wing of the party, i think it's got several explanations.

one is the kind of -- as american as apple pie isolationism which runs strong in american politics from the very beginning. part of it is trump's embrace of russia, and the fact that russia in the administration has been seen more as a friend. because russia tried to help them in the election, indefinitely put their thumb on the scale during the 2016 presidential election. putin also, very ably inserts himself into our culture wars. even yesterday, when he spoke in delivered his address to the federal assembly, he invoked a lot of our culture war issues. i think part of it is done to insert himself into the american culture wars, talking about how the worry is being waged so that kids do not have a parent number one and parent member to, but so that they

have a mother and father. and so ukrainians cannot push queer values onto christian russia. that really resonates with republicans. i think especially on the far-right. what is interesting is that on this part of the far-right, they're very uncomfortable taking the fight to flat latimer putin. in part, because he's a white nationalist christian leader, but very comfortable taking the fight to china. i wonder what the differences. >> i hear what you're saying. there's no question that there is some establishment figures inside of the gop that are very much -- but if you look at republican support for providing weapons for ukraine for example. in may of last year, january of this year, the trump two 39%. this semi pro putin rhetoric is having its effect on the grassroots part of the base, and i wonder, it's a very

shrewd operator. the fact that he's taking a page from the culture where playbook is the way that you maintain that support with the far-right wing of the republican party. what is zelenskyy's play in all of this? you certainly can't come out as a woke -- and is not one, and he should not have to. how do you combat that if that's what putin is trying to do? you both have to care at this point a lot about american domestic politics because it could depend on the future of this war. >> that's why you saw zelenskyy coming to congress, and saying this isn't charity. and that he can account for what you can send us, and what you are sending us is helping us win this fight, and it's keeping the fight on our lands and not bringing the war to you. with this constant lobbying, both public and private that ukrainians have been doing which is very important in your

right, this erosion of support in the republican base is very concerning. pretty much everybody quoted this poll at the munich security conference in private. europeans were very worried about it, and americans had to go out of their way in order to reassure the european allies, because unfortunately, as much as europe has committed to this fight, they really still need america to lead them. and to unify them, to kind of heard their cats, as it were. everybody is very worried on the other side of the atlantic, what happens if joe biden isn't reelected? what happens if the congressional make up changes yet again? and people in the far-right gain more power, or people in the american public turn actively hostile against ukraine? i think that right now, it fits an issue that is still kind of like people are basically

supporting ukraine, but don't really pay a ton of attention to it. it should not be too hard to get through, maybe not in the same massive quantities that the biden administration was able to get through in the first year, but it is going to be a lot harder, and it is definitely something that the biden administration is conveying to their ukrainian counterparts. the aid packages are just not going to be the size that they were in 2022. >> the domestic politics have a massive effect on what is playing out in ukraine. we are all watching them carefully. julia, my friend, it's great to see you. thank you for your time tonight. we have lots more to come tonight, including good news for congressional democrats, like big historic good news. we will explain, that's coming up. plus, what do you get when you put a gun pin on congressman george santos? the answer is outrageous, and that's next. an that's next.

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to the american public. the second amendment will likely -- >> the error 15 has been a quintessential piece of americana. it certainly has. no notes for alabama congressman barry moore unnatural. just take a look at this map. it shows mass shootings in america dating back nearly 11 years, all involving ar-15 rifles. this isn't even a complete list. largely because there have been so many mass shootings involving ar-15s, that a complete list would make it kind of difficult to actually see the map. according to the gun national, sorry, a goring to the gun violence archive, ar-15 rifles have been the gun of choice in about 150 shootings in the last 365 days alone. so yes. the air 15 rifle has become a quintessential, i'll be at horrific piece of our uniquely american story. congressman barry moore's point

was not that we should loosened a death grip that the ar-15 has on our culture. congressman more wants to tighten the grip. yesterday congressman more visited a gun shop in troy, alabama, to essentially pledged allegiance to the rifle of united states of america. he revealed a new bill he is proposing that would make the air 15 the national gun of america. you heard that correctly. the house of representatives has not yet received the entire text of that bill, but who knows? it may end up winning support from certain current republican members. earlier this month, just ahead of state of the union, certain house republicans began wearing assault rifle lapel pins, sort of like american flag peons that are worn as a show of patriotism. among house republicans proudly supporting the pin was embattled congressman george santos, who, by the, way actually cosponsored this national gun of america bill with congressman barry moore. georgia congressman andrew clyde said he's a one handed

out the rightful pins to his republican colleagues, just days after a series of mass shootings in california that left more than a dozen people dead and several others critically wounded. those mass shootings prompted another round of congressional debates about firearm restrictions. clyde said he doled out the pins to remind people of the second amendment and of the constitution and how important it is in preserving our liberties, though it is unclear if the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are prioritized in his list of priorities. you should know that congressman clyde also makes millions of dollars selling military style rifles, body armor, and ammunition at his gun store in athens, georgia. so it's possible that he has more at stake in the debate over gun reform than just the preservation of liberties. as to whether congressman moore's bill to make the ar-15 the national gun of america will pass a divided congress, well, your guess on that is as good as mine. but the real question is, does

it need to? do we need a piece of legislation to tell us that the ar-15 is the national gun of america? nearly every masticating in this country shows us that it already is. and there is almost nothing that congress has done so far that will change that. but coming up next, there are some bright spots in this new congress. and i am going to tell you about one of them, just ahead. them, just ahead.

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three new reasons to smile tonight. and kentucky democrat cassie chambers armstrong went a special election last night for states and its seat with 77% of the vote. she outperformed president biden, who won the district in 2020 with 65% of the vote. in new hampshire, another democrat exceeded recent party performance as well. democrat chuck grassley, not to be confused with republican chuck grassley, won a special election with a state, and in virginia, this was the front page of the richmond times dispatch this morning. mcclellan makes history. democrat jennifer mcclelland won a special election last night and will become the first black woman to represent the commonwealth of virginia in the u.s. congress. mclelland's historic verdant victory underscored political change and social progress in the old dominion, just for

generations ago my clones great-grandfather, an emancipated slave, had to take a literacy test to find three white people who would vote for him so that he could register to vote. both her grandfather into her father had to pay a poll tax in order to cast their ballots. and mclelland's own mother, now 90, did not vote until after the passing of the voting rights act of 1965. it is with that history behind her that mcclellan has turned a new page for the state of virginia. and by the way, she defeated her republican opponent by a staggering margin of nearly 50 points. joining us now, is congresswoman-elect jennifer mcclelland of virginia's fourth electoral district. congratulations on historic victory. i'm so happy that i can say congresswoman-elect this time. last time it was not yet that. >> that's right. thank you. so great to be here. and i am just thrilled. >> i'm sure you are. it was a trouncing of your

opponent, a moment for the history books, and president biden called you last night. i don't want you to breach any confidences here. but is there anything you can tell us about that conversation? >> well, he actually called before the polls closed, when he was in poland because of the time change when miracle afterwards, so he wished me luck and that he was looking forward to meeting me and promise that my kids would get to meet him because they are really looking forward to that. >> i'm sure, and he tends to make good when he makes promises like that, especially when there are children involved. i've got to ask you how you, how you making sense of what's going on in virginia. it's a state that has changed dramatically demographically in the last several decades. it's a state that is at once sending its first black woman to congress in the year 2023 but also very recently elected glenn youngkin its governor,

someone very much general in the culture wars. how should voters outside of virginia think of that state, in your mind? >> i think while we are often looked at is a battleground state at the end of the day people are looking for elected officials that are going to solve problems and focus on kitchen able issues and are hungry for someone who is just going to look at government as a force for helping people and not a force for political theater. >> when you look at the state, who do you think of as your constituents? i would love if you could get as specific as possible, because depending on where you are in virginia, and a different group of people. i'll just called everyone's attention, the new york times reporting on virginia in 2019. once the heart of the confederacy, virginia is now the land of indian grocery stores, korean churches, and dolley festivals. the state population has boomed,

about 38% since 1990. one in ten people eligible to vote in the state were born outside the united states, up from one in 28 in 1990. it is also significantly less white. what are the faces that you think of when you think of your constituents in virginia? >> very diverse. my district is about 47% white, 44% black, and a mix of everything else, but in a lot of ways it's a microcosm of the commonwealth. it is urban, rural, and suburban. and everything from agriculture to state employees, million dollar mansions and housing projects. and i think that voters are looking for someone who is going to speak to them and not leave any community defy behind. that's what i have done for the past 16 years in the legislature, and that's what i did in this campaign.

>> i think in many ways they are interlinked, right? miss demographic, this changing state and, you know, another priority that is very much isolationist, nativist, wants to bring us back to before that demographic change. speaking of the other side of the aisle, you defeated benjamin, an election denier, by almost 50 points. now the congressman who proceeded you in the seat defeated him in 2022 before his untimely death by 30 points, and benjamin would not concede, even when he lost by 30 points. i think you have done a solid favor and establish the threshold and which you need to beat an election denier to actually have him concede. is 50% what everybody needs to run up in order to get election deniers to admit the truth? >> well, i would like to think that election deniers wouldn't just see reality, but if we have to run it up to 50%, then that's just what we'll do.

>> [laughter] it's a high bar, but you passed it. when you talk about the faces of leadership in virginia, your fellow democratic congresswoman from the old dominion, from the state of virginia, do you expect to sort of have similar positions on issues as they do? there's some of the most moderate members of the democratic congress, and i wonder how you see yourself against their politics. >> you know, i see myself as pragmatic, progressive, and i think at the end of the day i'm here to solve problems and help people. i need to do what needs to be done and leave no part of virginia behind. i don't know where that would put me compared to them on the spectrum, but i think the needs of my constituents, i think pragmatic progressive fits me. >> congresswoman-elect jennifer mcclelland a virginia, thank you for making the time to join us tonight after that historic victory. some very good news for the

democratic party in the state of virginia. >> thank. you always a pleasure. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back

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